Why Ticketmaster Sucks
Why
Sucks
Ok, we’ve had enough. Largely by chance, we discovered that Henry Rollins was doing a spoken-word show in Tempe on Monday – since a cousin is visiting from Australia, we aren’t able to go to the box-office, so visited ticketmaster.com in order to pick up tickets. Four tickets at $20.75 = $83.00, right? Not by Ticketmaster’s math:
- Face Value: 20.75
- Building Facility Charge: 1.25
- Convenience Charge: 6.75
Total cost = $115, including $32 in total charges, an almost 40% surcharge. And that’s not even including the $2.50 they’d charge, had I wanted to print the tickets out on my own computer – using my own paper and ink. Are they taking the piss? Apparently not. This is part of the reason why they are widely referred to as Ticketbastards.
No-one would argue that they are entitled to cover their costs and make a reasonable profit, but what they are doing goes well beyond both. It’s both ludicrous, and entirely unjustifiable, not least because the charges are arbitrary. For a Merle Haggard concert, the add-ons are $2.00 and $8.25 – that’s at exactly the same venue, so why is the “building facility” charge different? And why is it suddenly $1.50 more ‘convenient’ to buy Haggard tickets than Rollins ones? Is there some hidden expense associated with the former? No – the only difference is the face value, and hence how much money Ticketmaster can gouge out of the buyer.
Unfortunately, these days Ticketmaster are an unstoppable behemoth. Complaints about their behaviour go all the way back to at least 1994, when Pearl Jam cancelled a tour as part of their battle with the company. It serves as a nice illustration of how the company operates, and why it has become such a monster.
It started when Eddie Vedder and his mates objected to Ticketmaster adding their (strangely variable, but even back then, extortionate) fees to concert tickets, whose face value had been kept deliberately low at $18. A couple of dates in, after selling tickets through other means, they discovered that across the country, Ticketmaster had a monopoly on sales at a lot of venues, and was enforcing it aggressively. For their compliance, the venues, on their part, got what can only be described as “kickbacks”, funded by the service charges. These were sometimes as much as $500,000/year, in addition to what Ticketmaster paid them up front for the monopoly. Little wonder places have no interest in exploring other avenues.
Equally as bad, the company also had exclusive contracts with promoters, locking them in with Ticketmaster. So even at an independent venue, if the event promoter is contracted with Ticketmaster, the result’s the same. In the end, the problems proved too much for Pearl Jam to overcome, and the tour was cancelled, costing somewhere around $3m. They complained to the Justice Department, and two members, Jeff Ament and Steve Goddard, testified before a House Committee that Ticketmaster were a monopoly bent on eliminating competition. Aerosmith’s manager testified too, saying he had no choice but to use the company, even though he hated doing so.
In 1995, the Justice Department decided against investigating Ticketmaster; Pearl Jam became Ticketmaster’s bitches, and since then, things have got worse. Much worse. Ticketmaster has gobbled up competitors such as Ticketweb, to such an extent that in 2000 it was estimated that the company controlled 90% of the market, and in 2001, they sold $3.6 billion worth of tickets.
Another part of the problem is their “exclusive agreement” with the very worst of the media companies, Clear Channel, through the latter’s SFX Entertainment subsidiary. This cosy cartel of venues, promoters, and the media means the chances are slim of you hearing about any other means of getting tickets – especially if you listen to one of Clear Channel’s 1,200 radio stations, which control 60% of all rock programming in America.
[As an aside, in August 2001, Nobody In Particular Promotions sued Clear Channel charging it "used monopolistic, predatory, and anticompetitive practices to prevent NIPP and others from offering concert promotion services in that area." The irony is, guess who owns the venue Henry Rollins is playing at - which is just down the road from where Ticketmaster started? Yep: Nobody In Particular Promotions.]
This August, String Cheese Incident were the latest to suffer. They sued Ticketmaster, frustrated because the company refused to let the band sell tickets direct to their own fans. They were unable to play in San Diego, because every appropriately-sized venue was exclusively tied up. See Pearl Jam for details, boys – the band may have changed, but Ticketmaster’s tune remains the same: “We’re in the Money”.
The company now have exclusive rights to 90% of the nation’s large arenas, and over 70% of the clubs and theatres. This pretty much allows them to charge whatever markup they want – and as the example at the top of the page shows, they take full advantage of the opportunity. It’s interesting to note that Ticketmaster get their claws in at both ends. If they sell your band’s tickets, they charge 3.5% commission on gross sales, plus a further “administrative fee” for credit/debit card fees. The latter is particular interesting, removing wholesale one potential justification for what they add to the price of a ticket.
As if gouging in this manner weren’t enough, in September the company announced plans to auction off the best tickets to the highest bidder – effectively becoming nothing more than touts, driven entirely by market forces. The worst thing is, laws against scalping are ineffective, since they apply only to the resale of tickets, not the initial purchase. Again, they’ll be laughing all the way to the bank.
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| Paul Allen – Owned not one, but two companies loathed by millions… |
I’m a huge fan of the free market – but for a truly free market, competition is absolutely essential, and is conspicuously absent in this field. It’s difficult to see how Microsoft is a monopoly, but Ticketmaster isn’t – the latter deserve investigation equally as much. [Interestingly, Paul Allen, co-founder of Microsoft, was at one point the main Ticketmaster shareholder] The arrogance, selfishness and greed they display leaves me wishing they get splintered into a thousand pieces for their dubious business practices.
Downloading may or may not be killing CDs, but the leech which is Ticketmaster drains the vitality out of live entertainment just as badly. Most people don’t have an unlimited budget, and these hefty “convenience charges” inevitably mean fewer events will be attended. Ticketmaster have certainly succeeded in making us think twice about what concerts we go to.
Feedback
Cliff Dickinson: “I just want to thank you for the article and links you have posted concerning Ticketmaster’s schemes. I only wish there was a way to warn more people of their rip-off tactics before they buy. Here’s a copy of my note to their customer service email-box. Fat chance of it getting anywhere with them…”
“I purchased two tickets to the Cher concert last night in Daytona. The start time for the concert, printed on the ticket and published on your website was 7:30 PM. We rushed to get there after work. The show did not start until 9PM. We learned from the Event Director that Cher’s contract stated 9 PM start time. We also learned that Ticketmaster recieves a commission from Centerplate for concessions. Sounds like Ticketmaster has a problem with the truth. I paid a $25 “convenience fee” to get these tickets plus a $5 fee to get to print them out on my printer, on my paper. Then to top it off Cher played for 1 hour and 18 minutes. Thus, we spent more time sitting, with no act or entertainment than the combined opening act & Cher’s concert. That’s hardly what we had in mind for a great concert. Ticketmaster is responsible for a lot of frustration for my wife and me last night. Unless, Ticketmaster resolves this matter with us, I will make it a policy in our household going forward that, if we cannot buy tickets directly from the event location or somewhere other than Ticketmaster, we will not go. I look forward to your response.
Further reading
- Pearl Jam -vs- TicketMaster – “One of the most corrupt and abusive companies in rock”
- Pearl Jam’s testimony
- String Cheese to Ticketmaster: Drop Dead
- The summer of (slightly less expensive) love
- Never roll over – “A company that has preserved its near monopoly for more than a decade despite numerous antitrust lawsuits, that charges exorbitant fees to its captive customers, whose CEO is said to revel in the fact that he “crushed” one of America’s most beloved rock and roll bands when it dared to take the company on, that…is near the top of most Americans’ list of companies they love to hate.”
- New World in Concert Tickets
- Toyota Center bypasses Ticketmaster
- Company causes problems for concert-goers
- Baltimore Orioles dump Ticketmaster
- Ticketmaster given walking papers by Valley venue – “Citing “ridiculous” service charges that can boost the price of a concert ticket by more than 35 percent, the operators of Phoenix’s Celebrity Theatre have given Ticketmaster the boot.” A subsequent poll in the paper found that 92% of people thought Ticketmaster’s charges were excessive. Added 16th May 2004
- Thoughts on Ticketmaster, Lord of all music venues – “You get better customer service buying crack from a Latin King on a street corner in North Philadelphia.” Added 16th May 2004
- Should I buy tickets from Ticketmaster or from a broker? Added 22nd September 2005
- Client Guide to Ticketmaster Quality Assurance – retrieved, interestingly enough, from the Phoenix City Council website [specifically, here, though that link may go out of date at any time]. Might be useful info for pursuing complaints. The original link also said that customer complaints were a factor in determining whether Ticketmaster’s contract would be renewed, so bear this in mind – don’t just complain to TM, also copy your complaints to the organization they’re selling tickets for… Added 22nd September 2005
Ticketmaster Customer Experiences
- TicketBastard – sarcasm turned all the way up to 11…
- “TicketMaster still stinks”
- “Ticketmaster is out of control”
- “Ticketmaster fucking sucks”
- “Charges ridiculous fees and is rude to its customers”
- “Ticketmaster Is Such A Ripoff”
- “Ticketmaster is Evil”
- “Ticketmaster’s Orwellian ream job”
- “Ticketmaster sucks”
- “Ticketmaster sucks” – different site, different experience, same opinion…
- “My fight with Ticketmaster – Blow-by-Blow”
- Anti-Ticketmaster petition – with 7,500+ supporters in barely 3 months, from Ireland alone
- The Ticketmaster prank Added 8th August 2004
- “Ticketmaster sucks” Added 22nd September 2005
- Customer Service…or lack thereof! Added 22nd September 2005
- Ticketmaster at Complaints.com Added 22nd September 2005
[This is just a sampling - if you can find any pages where genuinely satisfied clients extol the wonders of Ticketmaster, do let me know - 'cos I certainly couldn't!]
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i hate ticketbastard so much that i wanna rip off its ceo’s head like the way they rip me off!!!! i wanna see this concert, orginial price is $68, but then the site re-link me to ticketbastard, which they r charging me $76(+$8?) instead of $68, PLUS facility charge $2.15, PLUS convenience charge $14.25?! PLUS “order processing fee” $5.9 at the very end!!!! now im paying $99 instead of $68, totally $31 more!!!! WTF WRONG with them!!!! its like 46% profit there juz for one freakn ticket<<<< shame on them – the government REALLY have to kick in and DO something<<<<
Comment by angryme on October 21, 2010 5:46 am
I have endured various degrees of fraud over the last few years. First, I ordered playoff Dodgers/Cardinals tickets. When I went to print the tickets the order was mysteriously canceled. I called ticketmaster, they did NOTHING. They stated that someone called and reported fraud.(NOT BY ME) I followed up with my credit card and there was a credit given but there was no mention of the word FRAUD there. I recently ordered tickets to the San Diego Pointsetia Bowl and Social Distortion a few days apart. Both purchases went through. A few days later a ticketmaster representative called my home to verify the football bowl game purchase. Everything was fine until I went to print my tickets. They were suddenly cancelled. I called to voice my frustration and not once did ticketmaster ever1) apologize 2) offer any form of compensation for my next purchase. The representative simply said, well I can help you buy new tickets.
I had to use a different card.(no big deal) When I arrived in my seats, there were two fans already in my exact seats. Time to call ticketmaster again! We’ll see what happens…I predict NOTHING.
Comment by Total screw job on January 13, 2011 11:38 pm
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My $15 basketball ticket just cost me $24.25.
Why do I have to pay to use my paper, and my ink to print my ticket?
Comment by Paul on January 8, 2012 12:19 am
A long time ago I get tickets through them to go to see and hear METAL CHURCH (among others) at the Gorge at George Amphitheatre in eastern Washington. We’re supposed to be sitting in the green grassy amphitheatre but instead they keep us up in a trampled dusty field like cattle. Disclosed by Ticketbastard? Oh NO! they could loose a few dollars almighty if they told anybody. Pity those who have to work for them ’cause they can’t get a job elsewhere. You’d be “talk to the hand” too after listening to all the bitch’in from the public, yet you can’t do anything for them because of the policies from above. Just hang up on the poor son-of-a-bitch’in public. It’s so easy!
Seems that even Pearljam testified to the US congress about their anti-trust practices and still it continues. Good thing that the Ticketbastard baby bibs are available for purchase from a forward thinking entrepreneur. Might as well get ‘em trained up right from the very beginning ’cause these bastards aren’t going anywhere. And their crap continues even to this day into respectable businesses like the Jazz Alley, for which you can buy “tickets” from Ticketbastard which don’t get you anything more special than if you get a reservation from the Jazz Alley directly ‘cept for the bliss that Ticketbastard management thinks you’re supposed to have for paying their fees.
Comment by Phil on July 18, 2012 6:43 pm
I had a very bad experience with them, trying to book a ticket to a UK show, while being in Israel. You can read it on my blog.
Comment by Hadar on July 23, 2012 7:58 am
I was just expecting a blog/article of nothing but whining, but you included a heap-ton of supporting facts and references! Holy cow! Great read! I think everyone has a ticketmaster horror story. I was upset at buying tickets for Cirque D’Soleil, and how $100 x 2 tickets ended up costing me almost $300. My latest run-in with them was trying to get tickets for Ringling Bros. circus in town. I tried using my MasterCard, but apparently MC has teamed with TicketMaster to force MC customers to use “SecureCode”, which is some BS thing MC wants customers to setup to try to thwart credit card fraud. I did not setup SecureCode on my account at all. But, by the end of the transaction on TM, they were asking me to redirect to MC and enter in my SecureCode code. It aggravated me that I couldn’t purchase tickets b/c someone made a decision to set this up w/o my authorization on my cc account. So, my GIRLFRIEND had to use her Visa to buy the tickets. How emasculating is that…you can’t buy tickets, b/c TM decides to team with MC on some BS w/o telling customers ahead of time. Of course, that was just insult to injury. The injury was how we got lured in with the promise of $15 tickets via radio ad. We get online, and we’re pushed through TM. The $15 tickets, obviously, are in the nosebleed section. If you wanted mid-section, they’ll start $25. We found a few together, but we tried over and over to get them … it wouldn’t let us buy them, saying some BS about how someone else may have just purchased those. Well, WHY DID YOU SHOW THEM ON YOUR SITE?! So, we had to go to $35/seat tickets … already we’re +$20 to the $15 we thought we could get. Add in $15 to PARK, Convenience Fee for online processing, and PRINTING FEE to print them off at home (which is complete BS, b/c how else would you be able to get these tickets then? They obviously won’t print them off at the venue for us … complete absurdity!) The final charges were ~$90 … which my gf paid. Very upsetting, and I hate them. There was a class action lawsuit about their crazy costs long ago, which I was included on as part of the Cirque D’Soleil tickets. The end result of that was only a) fat lawyers getting rich, b) ticketmaster still charges crazy fees, c) customers that were part of that CAL got like $0.50 in return … the cost to file for the money was more than the money. That’s really the problem with our legal system these days; it’s all fines. No one spends time in jail, so companies just plug the fine into a cost/benefit risk analysis spreadsheet, and figure spending $ on the fines is worth it for the crazy profits they’ll make breaking the law. TM is no exception, and it feels like extortion every time I get on their site. Even movie theatres are doing this; they charge $2/ticket as a “convenience” fee to buy them online, even though it saves them hiring an employee to work during the day. I understand there’s cost to maintain servers and web sites, but it can’t be that expensive. Tickets for anything is basicaly turning into the eqvuivilent of buying landline phone service, where it’s billed for $29.99, but by the time hidden fees and junk are added your bill is $50/mo. I’m not sure why the FTC hasn’t cracked down on this kind of underhanded behaviour, but really, I’m not sure why people PURCHASE from companies that do this. All they’re doing is supporting this kind of behaviour.
Comment by blah blah on August 6, 2012 4:52 pm
Oh, not to bloat the comments up, but the real kicker when my gf and I went to the Circus … We get to the venue, and the entire stadium is surrounded by EMPTY PARKING LOTS. The $15 parking TM enticed folks to buy was directed to this remote lot where folks had to walk for 10 minutes in 100 degree heat to the indoor venue. I originally tried to get the $15 parking on my cc, but my gf decided to nix it on hers, b/c she would rather walk a few miles than pay $15 to park. When we got there, the parking garage RIGHT NEXT DOOR had parking for $10. We literally got to walk 1/2 the distance to the venue than the folks that paid for the $15 parking on TM. But, that still doesn’t look over the fact that both us and everyone else there got to walk through a lot of EMPTY PARKING LOTS surrounding the venue. What’s the deal with that? Also, we get in there, get seated, and across to the opposite side of the stadium there was a whole section of prime seating that had nobody sitting in it at all. ?!?!?!? We’re online fighting for $25 / $35 crappy seats, and then we get to the venue and there’s tons of prime, unused seating. WTF?! That aggravated us to no end. They purposefully limit the seating to make it seem like the venue is popular and packed, but really it’s only b/c they didn’t want to sell certain sections. It was very aggravating, and just showed us that it’s not just TM; venues are colluding with TM to create this situation that helps TM justify bloated ticket (and parking) prices. It’s ridiculous. Add on top of that the crazy costs for concessions… $12 for cotton candy…COTTON CANDY. $4 for a soft drink. I thought it was at least going to be a large; I order the large and it turns out to be $7…for a soft drink. I think the overall cost of this little outing was $150 at min. Of course, it ranks up there with going to Six Flags and Hurricane Harbor, both of which are notorious for extoring money from customers for the dumbest things. I guess people are just stupid and willing to easily pay to be inconvenienced. There were a lot of unhappy parents at the circus, and hardly anyone applauding. I could only think it was b/c by the time they realized it was going to cost them $300 to take their family, it had taken the wind out of any sails their ship of enthusiasm may have had.
Comment by blah blah on August 6, 2012 5:02 pm
I was so pissed with ticketmaster etc I wrote a song about it… Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flQ7MRAmr7c
Comment by Owen on October 8, 2012 4:45 pm